John Parent of the 700 Block spotted this letter to the editor in today's Windsor Star. This particular event obviously raises ire on both sides of the political tracks. It will certainly impact Olde
Walkerville but how? What do you think? Read on:Keep Train Station Where it is and Rebuild City
Letter to the Editor - Windsor Star - January 10, 2006
Published: Tuesday, January 10, 2006
Your coverage of the possible Via Rail location seems to have brought out every political pundit to sing the praises of another route for "sprawlers" to find their way back to Windsor. Even Eddie Mayor Francis would have us believe that using the Windsor City Centre as a landing pad for east Windsor commuters will make Windsor a better place to live. To this I say, Mayor Francis, urban sprawl is not smart growth.
The pro-commuter coverage and fear mongering by the editorial board of The Windsor Star is appalling. If we believed everything we read in the paper, we might actually believe that turning a rail corridor into a commuter road would save lives. While any death is tragic, the comparable carnage we will experience on an automotive commuter route will far surpass any rail route. We need to invest in quality of life, not just quantity.
While Tecumseh's mayor sang the praises of new development with "reclaimed" rail land, he failed to address the devastating effects a new road will have on Windsor and the communities which this road dissects. Aside from strip malls and big-box stores, how much development occurs on the main commuter arteries in Windsor? Tecumseh and Wyandotte are near wastelands of urban development (Wyandotte in particular), and what is left is quickly falling into disrepair. Does Windsor really need another strip mall or parking lot?
Instead of pulling yet another landmark and attraction out of Windsor, we, and our elected officials, should be demanding that we reinvest into Windsor.
Rebuilding Windsor leads to a strong tax base, a more robust local economy, and a greater quality of life for all Windsorites.
JOSHUA BIGGLEY
Walkerville
Some thoughts: Let's keep in mind that nothing has happened yet. Also...Moving the station and eliminating the line has been on the table for a long time. Nothing new here. It's also railroad property.
Any concern that the proponents of a "roadway" or "transportation corridor" are of the mind that packing more residents into a bottle as a desired objective is without logic. There's simply no place to put them. The bandwagon which the local pundits are riding is about relief from traffic congestion. East to West and vice versa. This is one half of the commuter problem in the City of Windsor. The other is North and South routes. Let's face it. E.C.Rowe is already overcapacity and so are all North South routes like Walker Road, Howard Avenue, Lauzon Parkway etc. Look at the fun we're having with the "Truck Route".
The underlying and root cause is that Windsor, from it's beginning as a "frontier town" with muddy ruts and single story commerce has never adopted another mindset. At best, we've grown old like a house which has undergone one bad renovation after another. In the end it all has to be torn down and started over otherwise it just won't cut it as an efficient and healthy place to live. The tired and decrepit Wyandotte Street and Tecumseh Road are indeed good examples of this. So too is Windsor's downtown. As infrastructure they've gone about as far as they can go. They need to be re-built for sure but with sound planning. Windsor business owners also need a new mindset. The day you see a Windsor shopkeeper scraping gum off of the sidewalk in front of his store or removing graffiti from a garbage can is surely going to be a glorious turning point for the city of Windsor. These corridors are what they are but that doesn't mean that they can't be grand. More big box ops and retail strips won't come with this change either. The corridor is only so wide and it's already flanked with miles of residential areas and existing commercial and industrial sites. There is not much else you can do with it.
As far as the quality of life is concerned it will probably make it better. Easier entry and exit into the downtown core will definately bring more patronage and spending which begets more tax dollars which begets more improvements which....At the end of the day our less than frustrated commuters will go home to their Tecumseh sprawl with better thoughts about their Windsor experience. As far as Olde Walkerville is concerned such a corridor will have neutral impact as it will literally connect to Riverside Drive. The few extra commuters and shoppers who stray into this area will only up the ante for our nouveau shopkeeps.
Please post your very welcomed thoughts about this topic.
January 10, 2006
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Any auto traffic on the rail corridor is unwelcome.
I like the trainstation where it is. It adds character. Further, a properly redeveloped Train Station will mean increased bus traffic which will better service our neighborhood.
Monmouth is a dense, walkable 'hood, running the foot of a highway into our backyard will only help tip the balance of power to the auto, making the surrounding area non-human scale.
ANY new traffic brought up that corridor is going to get dropped on Wyandotte, not Riverside. The city is actively pursuing this (Riverside V.I.P. project).
You can forget about the Nouveau Shopkeeps on Wyandotte if they remove the parking (as they have wanted for a long time) and increase Wyandotte to 4 lanes. This is all part of The Plan (kill the parking, kill the trainstation, kill the underpasses on Wyandotte, divert traffic from riverside to Wyandotte, connect Wyandotte over little river, increase the intersection at Wyandotte/walker)
This means Wyandotte becomes a highway.
You can forget about shopping in Walkerville. Walkerville will totally be cut off anything north of Wyandotte (and Walker will see increased traffic)
Joshua Biggley is 100%right. We need to build WALKABLE communities. More density & more public space on a human scale.
Windsorites only need to look at Detroit to see what this kind of failed planning will lead to. A ghettoization of the urban core, highways bisecting communities -- slicing them into islands, and every able resident will buy their way into a slice of suburbia (via auto).. and Windsor becomes Detroit Lite.
We need more New Urbanism and fewer 'commuters'.
We need to pressure the city into building a WORLD CLASS trainstation (a testiment to their commitment to viable, sustainable transit) either EXACTLY where the existing station is or downtown (the old trainstation location was south of wyandotte on mckay or crawford(?))
The only failed vision in City Hall is the one that prevents them from seeing that an auto-based lifestyle is Unaffordable in every sense.
Its time STOP building the city for automobiles and START building it for people.*
Cheers,
Terry
That last bit would be delivered
pounding the table from atop my high horse.*
High rocking horse. First off, it's physically impossible to add even one more lane on Wyandotte without imploding all buildings. They already come to within 8 feet of the street. Secondly the train station in Walkerville has only been active since the seventies. (Since they decomissioned the one in the west end). (very grand by comparison). There has always been a plan to move it to a more viable location. Maybe now they are ready.
The new corridor will most likely be multi-modal with a green strip and a bike way. It will have exits at all main north/south arteries. It's physically impossible for it to hook up to Wyandotte. (Take a look at it).
Sounds to me that you drive a buckboard. Are you one of those Green Party people?
Know your facts better. The City of Detroit was vibrant until 1967. The riots changed that instantly. The exodus which followed is what caused it's decay. Even so, if you look at how wide and well planned the streets are you know good planning went into that city.
train station - two words
To Terry. A.k.a. "anonymous". Your ideas sound like a lot of fun. I like the idea of a "power struggle" between man and car. Yes, we must "tip the balance of power". Your solution is a masterpiece. Just ignore the gaping hole that the train corridor will create (don't give the cars a place to go)and blow out a bunch of the city so that you can bring a train station right downtown. And of coarse this will bring "increased bus traffic". For people who are catching trains of coarse. Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this? I hope you are communicating this to the Mayor. And all of this coming from a person who can't spell "trainstation".
Hey Kermit..... Its hard being Green, isn't it.
Sounds like the blance of power might be tipping again. Man vs. bus.
How many cars do you own? Where do you work? Do you support the problem or not? Easy to blame the auto, harder to
distance yourself from the ideal of not using it or the revenues created by it.
Bill Ford Jr.
"First off, it's physically impossible to add even one more lane on Wyandotte without imploding all buildings."
Steps for Increasing Wyandotte to be 4 lanes:
A) Remove parking on Wyandotte.
B) There is no B.
Wyandotte alternates from 2 to 4 lanes TODAY. The difference between these sections? Parking.
"Secondly the train station in Walkerville has only been active since the seventies."
As I said, rebuild it to be a world class station where it is -or- return to its original location (in the existing rail system that runs downtown) and rebuild a world class station. The keys here are "World Class" and "In the City Core". Being in Walkerville for 30 years is a reason to move it? I dont follow.
"There has always been a plan to move it to a more viable location."
Viable train stations service a city center.
"The new corridor will most likely be multi-modal with a green strip and a bike way."
There isnt that much room. Unless "green strip" means trees planted in a line and mowed lawn. And bikeway means sidewalk.
If the train station/tracks are removed, this is a perfect opportunity for a VISIONARY bike/pedestrian route terminating in a new Walkerville Park. An asset to adjacent neighbours and the city at large, and a method for suburbanites to bike commute into the city. Why would anyone who lives on 800 Monmouth want a road to Tecumseh instead?
"It's physically impossible for it to hook up to Wyandotte. (Take a look at it)."
This is dead wrong. I invite you to walk between Walker and Drouillard. See those overpasses? They intersect Wyandotte and The Tracks. Wyandotte and The Tracks run less than 20 meters apart and parallel for many kilometers between Walker and George(ish).
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=windsor,+ontario&ll=42.316353,-82.989521&spn=0.030845,0.085831
Any New Road up that corridor is going to terminate onto Wyandotte. 1000% guaranteed.
"Sounds to me that you drive a buckboard."
No. So?
"Are you one of those Green Party people?"
Yes. So?
January 18, 2006 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...
"Know your facts better. The City of Detroit was vibrant until 1967. The exodus which followed is what caused it's decay."
My central point is this: Sprawl and our subsidy to developers (highways and infrastructure) causes Cities to divert funding from improving/maintaining what exists.
Sprawl and expansion is a failed model. Cities all over America prove it. Post WWII suburban sprawl is decimating our standard of living.
How to make your City a Ghetto:
#1) Divert funds from maintaining/improving your existing City to lust after increased revenue in the "suburbs". Density decreases.
#2) Ghetto!
#3) Watch as your old suburbs decay (Forrest Glade), and new suburbs spring up on their outskirts (Tecumseh).
Before I have to answer to the above; please note that im talking about growth that decreases density (sprawl) not 'growth' that accommodates our modestly increasing population.
Why do Windsorites want to fund the evacuation of the city? The Boston/Chicago neighborhood in Detroit is a great example of such a highway-bisected community. A highway literally cut a beautiful upper/middle class 'hood in half.
January 18, 2006 4:07 PM
Anonymous said...
train station - two words
Fine. Train station. Concatenate two nouns and the spelling police think they've unconverted JFK's second gunman (gun man? gun-man?) Who fucking cares.
January 19, 2006 4:41 AM
ACOGG said...
To Terry. A.k.a. "anonymous".
See where I sign my name? Is your name ACOGG?
I'd like very much to respond to this:
"Your ideas sound like a lot of fun. I like the idea of a "power struggle" between man and car. Yes, we must "tip the balance of power". Your solution is a masterpiece. Just ignore the gaping hole that the train corridor will create (don't give the cars a place to go) and blow out a bunch of the city so that you can bring a train station right downtown. And of coarse this will bring "increased bus traffic". For people who are catching trains of coarse. Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this? I hope you are communicating this to the Mayor. And all of this coming from a person who can't spell "train station"."
I'll wait until you volunteer your name. I'd like to know who's insulting me before I bother responding.
This internet thingy is fun to insult random strangers, but remember, we are actually neighbours.
As for the "substance" of your post, please, volutneer your name and I'd be happy to have a pleasant chat about the train station with you.
January 19, 2006 4:57 AM
Ms Piggy said...
"Hey Kermit..... Its hard being Green, isn't it."
Off Topic:
Not that bad. Live simply is a good start. The Kosnitsky essay is interesting, with age I hope to learn to be less vitriolic and more understanding. I also need to recognize that people take tone and delivery far more seriously than I suspected. I try and be immune to the method or the messenger. I'm becoming increasingly aware that seeing past rhetoric is not a common skill.
Frankly though, its tough arguing with pseudonym cloaked neighbors.
Ive mentioned this to Peter already: this website -- as a vehicle to slander and deliver anonymous petty jabs is a great disservice to our neighbourhood. When Pete started this blog, I thought "Great, Pete can do some street-level advertising and boostering" instead, its creating much animosity and little else.
A fine example is this from "Mr. Ford":
"How many cars do you own? Where do you work? Do you support the problem or not? Easy to blame the auto, harder to
distance yourself from the ideal of not using it or the revenues created by it."
Instead of discussing the topic (Windsor's train station) we see a almost perfect example of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque.
I dont mind debating -- in fact, i love it -- but this semi-anonymity is thick with aggression. I dont know who "ACOGG", "Dirty Olive", Anon#1, Anon#2, You "Ms.Piggy", "Derwood Kirby" (Peter?) or "Mr.Ford" are.
Hell, Id like to know how many(any?) arent you Peter.
Peter, I suggest:
Delete the existing accounts.
Require accounts be registered with real names.
Disallow Anon posts.
If you've got something to say, put your name to it. The preceding was not directed at you personally Ms.Piggy.
This website is causing animosity to grow in our REAL lives and REAL neighbourhood (as I have been told by others). This isnt an anonymous forum in the wilds of the internet, we are talking to our REAL neighbours. And if you want (i dont) to see our unique neighbourly community crumble under the weight of petty sniping, then, we should keep this great start.
Regards,
Terry.
"If the train station/tracks are removed, this is a perfect opportunity for a VISIONARY bike/pedestrian route terminating in a new Walkerville Park. An asset to adjacent neighbours and the city at large, and a method for suburbanites to bike commute into the city. Why would anyone who lives on 800 Monmouth want a road to Tecumseh instead?"
A few more points about this situation.
how much would it cost for a proper Bike/Pedestrian Parkway? $30M?
Auto Highway? $300M?
Remember that when you talk about taxes.
Speaking of costs, dont forget that auto-dependant sedentary lifestyles cause obesity. Obesity is a cause of heart disease, diabetes, hip replacments and other other ailments.
http://www.apha.org/news/press/2003/built_environment.htm
http://www.tndtownpaper.com/Volume6/obesity_at_heavy_cost.htm
And auto pollution causes cancer.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/air/out-ext/air_quality_e.html
Remember that when you complain about health care.
Regards,
Terry.
OK Anonymous...Thats enough. I can't believe that you are looking for confrontation in every posted comment. For the record, I do not know who all of the comments are from except for one. (from a 12 year old). And my own, of coarse. You need to be aware of a few things: I do not want to moderate comments! Quite a few people read this thing; some elders, some younger people and some politicians (one of whom you were communicating with last week) Please refrain from offensive language. This is an open forum. I have no problem with anonymity or with pseudonyms. The reply format is obviously set up for this and that's because it is widely accepted in the blogging community. There should be some fun in it don't you think? Lighten up and get some thicker skin. There have been a lot of jabs at a lot of things posted on this blog. You can't let such things bother you. Some advice: If and when you put something out there, watch your spelling and grammer. This is a basic foundation for credibility. Coherence is another. These things, coupled with your badly bruised scholastic babble are what set you up in the first place. Confronting all commentators is asking for trouble for sure. On another note you should be pleased that you had any response at all. Obviously most people thought the topic and your spin worth commenting on. So anonymous...I hope you comprehend all of this. Don't be surprised if you get more of the same because of the way you handled this. Now I'll probably get some tongue lashing too. Nuff said.
I thought only "Desperate Housewive" and "Lost" had this much drama and intregue. No, this "Street Called Monmouth" is far more fullfilling with all its ANGER, EDGINESS, SEX and COMEDY! If only we had a murder...
and I'm throwing caution to the wind and NOT using spellcheck.
Such LIBERATION! Please don't be harsh...
"with all its ANGER, EDGINESS, SEX and COMEDY!"
WHERE IS THIS SEX? LETS TALK ABOUT THAT.
OK, I added SEX purely for ratings. And possibly more hits on the blog.
Peyton Place this isn't!
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